DEP help

[Guest bratonabike]

i just need to know for the FMC in the pmdg 744X, for whichever airport say EGLL, how do you know wich DEP to use? can you use any or does it have to be sepcific

[PropPro 0]

Flightaware is one source that might help you figure out who is using what departure at any given time, but they are not always included in the posted flightplan, and it will only be availible for flights heading to the US (using your example given). When you choose the deparure, before you execute it, you will see a broken line on the ND showing you where a the departure you picked will take you compared to your first actual waypoint. you can play with them and see which will work best for you at the time, just keep pressing erase and move onto the next one and so on until you find one you want. Also, if you are using a real world plan, many times the first waypoint has one or more departures which include the name of that waypoint, so that's a thought as well. Using my own example, The first waypoint out of JFK on any particular flight could be MERIT. If you look at the departures, you will see MERIT3 and MERIT.NOATC. Choosing any of them will get you on to your first waypoint right. The NOATC version would mean that you wont have to vector to the waypoint yourself, it will automatically link right up to your first waypoint right off the ground, completely contiguous. Just a few points that I use when searching for a departure (or an arrival) that I dont know about beforehand.

[Guest bratonabike]

Flightaware is one source that might help you figure out who is using what departure at any given time, but they are not always included in the posted flightplan, and it will only be availible for flights heading to the US (using your example given). When you choose the deparure, before you execute it, you will see a broken line on the ND showing you where a the departure you picked will take you compared to your first actual waypoint. you can play with them and see which will work best for you at the time, just keep pressing erase and move onto the next one and so on until you find one you want. Also, if you are using a real world plan, many times the first waypoint has one or more departures which include the name of that waypoint, so that's a thought as well. Using my own example, The first waypoint out of JFK on any particular flight could be MERIT. If you look at the departures, you will see MERIT3 and MERIT.NOATC. Choosing any of them will get you on to your first waypoint right. The NOATC version would mean that you wont have to vector to the waypoint yourself, it will automatically link right up to your first waypoint right off the ground, completely contiguous. Just a few points that I use when searching for a departure (or an arrival) that I dont know about beforehand.

ok thanks. also, how do you work the defult atc when flying the 744X, like should you just use it for straight out departure at an airport, then request flight follow mid-flight?

[PropPro 0]

honestly, you cant work the default ATC and fly this aircraft the way you should. MSFS ATC dosent recognize or allow for deviations to your departure, and will simply cancel your flightplan, and flying VFR and requesting flight following is also way unrealistic. MS ATC only recognizes a runway heading departure and then immediately turning to your first waypoint which in an FS generated flightplan will likely be the VOR of the airport, also not realistic and honestly a real pain in the neck. If you want to interact with ATC which will allow you to fly SIDs and STARs, you should really look into Radar Contact. Much better from a realism standpoint and alot of options that require interaction with the controllers. Better terminology, everything. It too has it's quirks, but it will allow you to fly into and out of an airport like you should and allow you to make use of departure and arrival procedures, well worth it unless you want to fly silent all the time just so you can fly a SID or STAR. I use it in both FS9 and FSX and havent used default ATC since. Some people would rather just fly on VATSIM and talk to someone real, but I never have. Really is a matter of whatever floats your boat- but MS ATC will not interact in a positive manner if you want to fly these things the way they are supposed to be flown, that's for sure.

[Guest bratonabike]

honestly, you cant work the default ATC and fly this aircraft the way you should. MSFS ATC dosent recognize or allow for deviations to your departure, and will simply cancel your flightplan, and flying VFR and requesting flight following is also way unrealistic. MS ATC only recognizes a runway heading departure and then immediately turning to your first waypoint which in an FS generated flightplan will likely be the VOR of the airport, also not realistic and honestly a real pain in the neck. If you want to interact with ATC which will allow you to fly SIDs and STARs, you should really look into Radar Contact. Much better from a realism standpoint and alot of options that require interaction with the controllers. Better terminology, everything. It too has it's quirks, but it will allow you to fly into and out of an airport like you should and allow you to make use of departure and arrival procedures, well worth it unless you want to fly silent all the time just so you can fly a SID or STAR. I use it in both FS9 and FSX and havent used default ATC since. Some people would rather just fly on VATSIM and talk to someone real, but I never have. Really is a matter of whatever floats your boat- but MS ATC will not interact in a positive manner if you want to fly these things the way they are supposed to be flown, that's for sure.

ok sounds good. where can i find radar contact?

[downscc 1,327]

Their forum is next door here in AVSIM, google radar contact for their web site.

[Cras 6]

+1 for Radar Contact.

[Turbine777 13]

ok thanks. also, how do you work the defult atc when flying the 744X, like should you just use it for straight out departure at an airport, then request flight follow mid-flight?

Just to add my $.02 and since I'm waiting for a video to render.... =_=I think the default ATC is as many pointed out, far from realistic, but in some ways it's the best by far. It's all in which realisms you want to weigh over the others. Of course that statement should better be put as none of the ATC addons out there get it all perfect and all have their limitations. One reason I prefer the default is because 1. - it see's the AI 2. - it talks to the AI3. - it gives you TCAS warnings4. - It has the best speech engine out there by FAR5. - You can add any callsign you want to it using the free addon EditVoicepackX (and make it exactly like you want)6. - It gives you actual wind speed and direction just prior to TO7. - No need to spend an hour in a seperate program tailoring it to do what you want8. - Countless other things...That said, it has a lot of short comings as well but they all do and some more than the rest. I went into some detail about the main dislikes of some ATC addons in this thread.Of course what's in violation of realism or unacceptable is a to each their own thing and I value everyones own choices/opinions. I just personally prefer the default and the sad thing is I think I own them all.Out of the ones I have I do prefer Radar Contact but no matter what features it had seem to get hung up on the voicepak being so robotic. I heard of a voicepak from someone like "Wolfbang" or something, but wasn't able to find it in the library back when I bought RC. I'm keeping an eye out though and look forward to trying out RC5 when it hits. The RC5 blog hasn't been updated in a while though but I'm sure it can't be too much longer. Each seems to have it's plus and I think RC has more plus's than the others (ok, except VOX :( ) but not seeing the AI and not having the exceptional voice quality of the FS default ATC is it's main downfalls (to me).The latest ATC experience I had and latest addon I got was VoxATC. It too is pretty robotic, in fact the entire speech is digitized only. For some reason though I tend to forget about it with VOX, yet cannot with RC4. I guess I am distracted with the fact that it actually has pretty good Fully integrated Voice Recognition. However, if you live with others they may complain and ask why you're yelling haha. Not that you need to yell but unless you have a really good mic and set correctly then whispers will not be recognized that good and you really need to speak very clearly. Not to mention a computer able to keep up with it's processing on top of FSX. So to make a long story,,,, longer, I love it, but it too falls short of the default with not being able to do all the little things that FSX can do. The FSX ATC is a quatom leap over the FS9 ATC and the main reason I no longer touch FS9. (I had FSX before FS9, but recently spent a lot of money getting it and tons of addons. I like it but again it was the ATC that kept it from getting reinstalled).Ok, video is rendered so I can stop my babble, but to reply to the actual quote above...I now have FSBuild and still also use VRoute. Like many other flight planners it allows you to save your route in both the FS format and PMDG format. What I do is fairly simple. I create my route and save as both formats, then load it in the FMC and FSX. If I'm not flying a SID, the works done and ATC will handle the route exactly as I fly it. If I fly a SID then it creates a small problem With VRoute since it doesn't have sid/stars. So whay I do is right down my added waypoints (or run in windowed mode), then I write a new flightplan in VRoute adding them to my route and save a copy to later load in FSX. This is pretty annoying with VRoute since it only provides routes that have been approved and does not allow you to actually create a flight plan. However, when you submit it you will have an oportunity to see at and save as you want.* I know FSBuild (or at least think) can add it much easier but haven't had the time to sim at all since I bought it. I spent a few hours learning it but still no joy with playing with it :(Well, just my opinions but I just think if the Default ATC was a Payware addon it would get better reviews for some of things often overlooked that are extremely important to me and add more realism than the things it lacks and that I can easily work around.Sad that I spent so much on ATC addons yet still prefer the default, but kind of funny at the same time. :(

[Leffe 4]

Just to add my $.02 and since I'm waiting for a video to render.... =_=I think the default ATC is as many pointed out, far from realistic, but in some ways it's the best by far. It's all in which realisms you want to weigh over the others. Of course that statement should better be put as none of the ATC addons out there get it all perfect and all have their limitations. One reason I prefer the default is because 1. - it see's the AI 2. - it talks to the AI3. - it gives you TCAS warnings4. - It has the best speech engine out there by FAR5. - You can add any callsign you want to it using the free addon EditVoicepackX (and make it exactly like you want)6. - It gives you actual wind speed and direction just prior to TO7. - No need to spend an hour in a seperate program tailoring it to do what you want8. - Countless other things...I now have FSBuild and still also use VRoute. Like many other flight planners it allows you to save your route in both the FS format and PMDG format. What I do is fairly simple. I create my route and save as both formats, then load it in the FMC and FSX. If I'm not flying a SID, the works done and ATC will handle the route exactly as I fly it. If I fly a SID then it creates a small problem With VRoute since it doesn't have sid/stars. So whay I do is right down my added waypoints (or run in windowed mode), then I write a new flightplan in VRoute adding them to my route and save a copy to later load in FSX. This is pretty annoying with VRoute since it only provides routes that have been approved and does not allow you to actually create a flight plan. However, when you submit it you will have an oportunity to see at and save as you want.

Dan, the name is MEATWATER you are looking for! (in the middle of that page, 5 packs)The only thing I can agree, is that the the sounds could be better, but with Meatwaters files it will be 75 % better.All the other things you said works . except it can see AI when taxi and there I also miss my navigation, when taxi to rwy. But that will be solved in RC5.Why should VROUTE create SIDS and STARS and what would be the benefit? :( .....you choose those in the CDU after imported your plan andFor STARS, most pilot choose that, in a late stage of flight. (depending weather, if short or longhaul flights)You could also fly a full SID DP with RC4 and also the STAR you choosed. But the choice is up to you. I preferto be vectored to the FAF sometimes, even if I have choosed a STAR. (Just like real life)Beeing vectored is much more realistic in RC4 than in MSFS ATC, which is crap. (Left, right, left, right...never ending) :( VROUTE dosen

[Turbine777 13]

Dan, the name is MEATWATER you are looking for! (in the middle of that page, 5 packs)

Sweet thanks Leffe. I'll download them now before I forget the name again, boy was I off. Out of all the things I miss, I miss my mind the most :(

Why should VROUTE create SIDS and STARS and what would be the benefit? :( .....you choose those in the CDU after imported your plan andFor STARS, most pilot choose that, in a late stage of flight. (depending weather, if short or longhaul flights)

Oh I was explaining that for bratonabike and just one way to create a workaround so ATC (default) knows your exact flight plan for flying IFR and being able to stay on course.

The only thing I whish from VROUTE, is the possibility to save a route for one self and and not needingto export them if I don

[Leffe 4]

/Have you been to there forum? I actually created quite a stir when requesting this feature. Everyone that replied to my post had no idea why I would want that same thing and was very VERY surprised it didn't. I spent over a week explaining why customers would want it and finally it was agreed to implement it (that was later dropped though, see the thread). I can see how some that want to add some realism wouldn't need that functionality, but imagine most do, since I think most do use flight planners that allow your "Plan your flight".

Hi Dan!Yes I

[Leffe 4]

....LOL "Justify" wasn

[Turbine777 13]

I tried to download those Meatwater files but they are still not available. The links are still there, but not the files. These were the same ones I tried a while back I just got the name wrong in my earlier post (way wrong :( ).I think he'll have to reupload them. They haven't been available since the Avsim library went down.Bummer, but hopefully he'll repost them eventually or RC5 will come out before hand.

[norman s 15]

Hi Dan,The files you are looking for can be found under Radar Contact Meatwater voice files version 2.All ten files are present.Hope this helpsNorman Bowman

[Turbine777 13]

Thanks Norman, got them now!Here is a link for others wanting them.