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[Manny]

Thanks for that Nils.. I am really excited about this new development!LLH Courchevel and France VFR Norther Alps is one of fav airports in FSX.:)MAnny

[Manny]

Hi Nils,Whats the issue? Can you provide a link for the LLH forum. I'' try to use Alta Vista to do the translation. I am assuming thats a forum in French?I have not had a problem in FSX at all. In fact I had problems in FS9 more than in FSX.In fact, sloped runways work better in FSX than in FS9, In FS9 you tend to go through the runway texture. In FSX, you have to almost crash into it before you would go through the runway.I have a blast landing the Cap Sim C-130  and trying to get it to stop. I use the same aircraft for Lukla too!Manny

[gaosys]

Thanks, Jean-Paul, for the info.I am going to try more of Guy's great sceneries when I get the chance.I can surely see why his site is popular.I'd guess that with the recent posts here, it will probably get more "universally" popular.If that windsock can be believed at LFLJ, I guess landings really have to be made from the upper end, no wonder I was having such a hard time coming in from the valley end, runway sloping uphill. Wow, wonder how to stop if I approach from the other (lodge side) end with that huge downhill slope? Sorry, forgot the runway numbers, so did not know how else to explain it.

[Jean-Paul Mes]

Hi Glen,Just for some background information, Guy Nemoz (Guy is his first name) is  the owner of vf-air.com and is well known in the french simming community for his sceneries, many with sloped runways.Jean-PaulAsus P5W DH Deluxe - Core 2 Duo E6600@3.2Ghz - Leadtek 7950 GT TDH 512 - 4 x 1GB Kingmax DDR2 667 CL5 RAM - 2 x 250GB Hitachi T7K250 SATA2 AHCI - Antec Sonata 2 Case - 450W Antec SmartPower 2.0 PSU -  Samsung SyncMaster 204B 20" - Windows XP Pro SP2 - TrackIR 4 Pro - Saitek X52

[gaosys]

Hi, just realized that you, too, had posted about the Courcheval freeware site - www.vf-air.com.Boy, that LFLJ scenery is nice and the runway is sure an experience.That website is a little difficult to traverse through if you don't understand French at least a little bit, but well worth trying.So, many thanks to you as well for the info.Glen

[gaosys]

Well, friendly and "froggy" guy, thanks so much for telling us about the website www.vf-air.com.Went there and downloaded Courecheval files:LFLJx1.zip & LFLJdata.zip.I had a little bit of a problem getting past the French descriptions, but the scenery is great and it was a blast not just landing there, but taking off was sure an experience as well!Merci, merci, merci -Some really nice pictures on that website also.GlenTexas, USA

[bob.bernstein]

Tony, Jim gave you a link to a pic I'd posted before.  Its a weak pic cuz of the limits to file size here at Avsim.  Send me a pm with your email, and I'll send you better images.Bob

[jimdbird]

>Bob, >>Would you mind posting a pic of that experiment?  I just>curious what a super high rest texture would look like in the>sim and your experiment is interesting.>>TonyI believe the screens are in this thread.http://forums.avsim....ing_type=search Cheers,Jim

[Mace]

>Probably just displaying my ignorance here, but how are these>products (Neuroflight's Courchevel and Aerosoft's Lukla X)>possible in a sim that supposably only supports flat>airports?>Colin...Where did you hear that?FSX can do sloped runways.  I made one in Nicaragua.  There are a few drawbacks (such as no AI use) but it can be done.Edit: Oops!  Now that I read the whole thread, everyone else said the same thing :)   Good thread, I always like this type of topic.  I am hopeful, but not counting on, this feature being in FS11.  The implementation might be tough with getting AI to cope with the changing elevations.RhettAMD 3700+ (@2585 mhz), eVGA 7800GT 256 (Guru3D 93.71), ASUS A8N-E, PC Power 510 SLI, 2gb Corsair XMS 3-3-3-8 (1T), WD 150 gig 10000rpm Raptor, WD 250gig 7200rpm SATA2, Seagate 120gb 5400 rpm external HD, CoolerMaster Praetorian

[Geofa]

I used a program/hardware called pinnacle-quite easy to use-though I have a backlog  to do also..http://www.mediafire...b9f427f694g.jpgMy blog:http://geofageofa.spaces.live.com/

[Holger]

Hello Bob,good point, I forgot about that. I actually did a similar experiment after Devcon ;-) though I wasn't quite as ambitious: I created some 50-cm ground textures and they worked but I removed them due to the crazy file sizes.However, as a local texture for an airstrip, given suitable real or synthetic imagery, this approach could be feasible. Thanks for the heads-up.Cheers, Holger

[Geofa]

There is also a great video of a takeoff and landing in a Baron there!:http://www.mediafire...b9f427f694g.jpgMy blog:http://geofageofa.spaces.live.com/

[bob.bernstein]

>stuck with the 1-m max resolution that FSX offers for ground>textures (unless you use custom vector textures, which allow>up to 7-cm but have other limitations). Holger, after devcon I did an experiment with 7cm per pixel imagry, and found it did indeed display quite perfectly as a ground texture.  I find no limitations to using it except the obvious one....no source imagry at that resolution is available, and I don't have terrabyte hds yet.  To do the experiment, I photographed a tablecloth, and sized the area so that I ended up with 7cm/pixel resolution.  Somewhere in my fsworld is a lovely 71.68m x 71.68m tablecloth! Best,Bob

[ccaughie]

Thanks for all the replies folks. I think I'll try the freeware versions of these airports to see what they're like, then maybe buy one or both of the payware ones depending on my experience with them.Colin

[MatthewS]

>Hopefully, the next version of FS will allow for sloped>airfields with full AI support but the technical issues for>doing so are not trivial at all, never mind the lack of>consistent data.Amen to that! And cloud shadows and better scaled autogen.

[Holger]

Hi Rod,well, it's not quite that easy. If you use sloped flattens then their properties will change with the mesh resolution slider in FSX. Also, you lose the ability to place any of the standard airport textures, like run- and taxiways and thus are stuck with the 1-m max resolution that FSX offers for ground textures (unless you use custom vector textures, which allow up to 7-cm but have other limitations). Thus, sloping flattens are best use for bush strips rather than larger airfields. We used them with Glacier Bay for FS9 and Victoria+ for FSX, among others.The commercial Lukla and Courchevel packages use GMax platforms instead of sloped flattens, which allows them to apply high-res textures and have a stable terrain model independent of mesh resolution settings. The disadvantage of those GMax platforms is that they don't allow for normal start positions, will have the aircraft "break through" under certain conditions, and may be partially transparent from certain view angles outside the aircraft.We're working on PAKT (Ketchikan) for the Misty Fjords FSX version and will probably offer two alternate models at the same time, so that users can switch as desired: one with a standard flatten and full AFCAD/AI and the other with a GMax platform sans AI. We'll see how that works out. Should be interesting to get user feedback.Hopefully, the next version of FS will allow for sloped airfields with full AI support but the technical issues for doing so are not trivial at all, never mind the lack of consistent data.Cheers, Holger